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Jocko Willink talks about the benefits of self-punishment, and the future of masculinity. Plus, Dave Dameshek returns to discuss hierarchy in sports leagues and pouring his beer on a rude person at a party.

George Shapiro discusses the legendary talents he’s managed like Jerry Seinfeld and Andy Kaufman, the secret to vitality as you get older, and watching Danny DeVito play him in a movie. Plus, Jeff Cesario returns as Chet Waterhouse.

Teresa Strasser fills in for Gina on today’s news. Plus, Jim O’Heir returns to talk about his own radio show past in Indiana, how he transitioned into comedy, and not letting sudden fame impact you.